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[ESPN]best 25 under 253360 1 . giannis，2。emb iid，3。jokic，4 .towns，5 .sims

今天，美国媒体ESPN公布了25岁以下选手排名。接下来是Top 10: 1，阿德托昆博(24岁)。2、恩比德(24岁)；3、约基奇(24岁)；4、多斯(23岁)；5、本西蒙斯(22岁)；6、东契奇(19岁)；7、米切尔(22岁)；8、塔图姆(20岁)；9、福克斯(21岁)；10、德语-布克(22岁)

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[]buck sdeer _ noises[s]379 points 15 hours ago *

11-25: krista PS porzingis、Pascal Siakam、D'Angelo Russell、Lauri Markkanen、Clint Capela和Jaren Jackson Jr Jusuf

雄鹿球迷：11 ~ 25人：波尔津吉斯、西亚卡姆、拉塞尔、马尔卡宁、卡佩拉、杰伦杰克逊、穆雷、艾顿、约翰柯林斯、努尔基奇、马文巴格利、勒韦尔

[–]Warriors elalo 12 points 12 hours ago

Doncic will be on this list for another 5 years.

勇士球迷：未来五年，这份榜单里会一直有东契奇。

[–][UTA] Mehmet Okur soreal_solife 31 points 14 hours ago

Donovan is overrated.

爵士球迷：米切尔被高估了。

[–]Pacers kamj427 430 points 15 hours ago

No Myles or Sabonis? Well damn.

步行者球迷：没有迈尔斯-特纳或者小萨博尼斯？真尼玛行呢

[–]Nets latman 13 points 14 hours ago

That's a joke

篮网球迷：这就是个笑话。

[–]76ers Ruut6 42 points 14 hours ago

Wow I didn't even think about Turner. Absolutely insane that he's not on here. Already a top shot-blocking/rim-protecting center and anchor of a defense and a .575 TS% while averaging 2.5 3PA per game. Massive oversight, I'd have him in the top 15 at least.

76人球迷：哇，我都没想到漏了特纳啊。他不在这个榜单里绝对是瞎搞。他已经是个顶尖的护框中锋了，而且还是防守核心，他场均出手三分2.5次，真实命中率还能有57.5%。这可是重大遗漏啊，我觉得他至少能进前15.

[–][IND] Reggie Miller Marky0Mark 607 points 14 hours ago

Leads the league in blocks, in the running for DPOY, and can stretch the floor. Not even listed. I expect nothing from ESPN and I’m still disappointed.

步行者球迷：他的盖帽数领跑全联盟，还在争取年度最佳防守球员，而且还能拉开空间。这都不能进名单。我对ESPN没什么指望了，到现在都很失望。

[–]Bucks –II 207 points 14 hours ago

I honestly cannot believe he's just turning 23 next month. It's already his 4th season in the league.

雄鹿球迷：说实话，我都不敢相信特纳下个月才满23岁。这都是他进联盟的第四个赛季了。

[–][UTA] Derrick Favors lastfollower 30 points 11 hours ago

Because of his leap last year, a lot of people really think the Pacers are Oladipo and a bunch of nobodies. It's crazy.

爵士球迷：因为去年的飞跃，很多人真觉得步行者只有奥拉迪波，其他人都是无名之辈。这太扯了。

[–]Celtics iDEN1ED 32 points 13 hours ago

The Pacers just don't really exist when it comes to national media unfortunately.

凯尔特人球迷：不幸的是，对于全国媒体而言，步行者这队并不存在。

[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 17 points 12 hours ago

ESPN: "Who's Myles Turner?"

湖人球迷：ESPN：“谁是迈尔斯-特纳？”

[–]Sonnyred90 29 points 11 hours ago

"Indiana? What part of California is that in?"

ESPN, likely

或许ESPN还会说：“印第安纳？这是加州的哪块地方？”

[–]76ers Ruut6 62 points 14 hours ago

Essentially any of the bottom 5 over Turner is a travesty.

76人球迷那个榜单里垫底的五个人中的任何一个人排在特纳之前都是瞎搞。

[–][SAC] Buddy Hield Trevhaar 65 points 12 hours ago

I think Bagley is great, but by no means is he better than Turner. Bagel boy is gonna be an all star soon enough but you can’t disrespect a top candidate for DPOY

国王球迷：我觉得巴格利很不错，不过他绝对比不上特纳。巴格利小伙很快就会成为全明星，不过你也不能不尊重一个年度最佳防守人的强力竞争者啊.

[–]Pacers kamj427 19 points 11 hours ago

I wasn’t even questioning Bagley. I love him too. It’s the Lakers and Celtics young core, excluding Tatum, that I don’t think are better than Turner or Sabonis.

步行者球迷：我都没质疑巴格利，我也很喜欢他。只是湖人和凯尔特人的年轻核心，包括塔图姆在内，我不觉得他们有谁比特纳或者小萨博尼斯强。

[–][ATL] Dominique Wilkins CounterInsanity 168 points 14 hours ago

I'm sorry, do I not see Trae Young on this list!?

老鹰球迷：对不住啊，怎么我没有看到特雷-杨啊？！！！

[–]Lakers treebak 220 points 14 hours ago

Is Trae Young 26?

湖人球迷：难道说吹羊有26岁了吗？

[–][ATL] Rasheed Wallace reb_mccuster 66 points 8 hours ago

They really put Lonzo over Trae wow

老鹰球迷：他们还真把鲍尔放在杨之前啊，哇

[–]Hawks AlizeePwnzU 32 points 8 hours ago

Outright disgusting tbh

老鹰球迷：讲真，这纯粹是恶心人。

[–]Hawks mutombolievable 29 points 12 hours ago

I LOVE John Collins but I'm surprised that he's on this list and Trae is not

老鹰球迷：我喜欢约翰-柯林斯，不过他都能进榜单，却没有吹羊，真是让人吃惊。

[–]Lakers matticans7pointO 14 points 7 hours ago

No Ingram either. I would take out 2 of Kuz, Ball, or Brown out in favor of Ingram and ESPECIALLY Young.

湖人球迷：还没有英格拉姆呢。我会把库兹马、鲍尔和布朗三人里抽出两个出来换成英格拉姆，还有杨。

[–]76ers Ruut6 31 points 13 hours ago

Ridiculous. This list is trash at the bottom. Also having Mitchell over Fox at this point is a joke

76人球迷：荒唐。这份榜单后面的排名就是垃圾。让现在的米切尔排在福克斯之前也是个笑话。

[–]Lakers hahagamer7 43 points 12 hours ago

I think Top 7 are good. Fox should be over Tatum and Tatum should be lower on the list. I don't know where Booker should be placed but I don't feel he's in the right spot.

And agreed, 11-25 is a trash list.

湖人球迷：我觉得前7没毛病。福克斯应该在塔图姆之前，塔图姆的排名应该更低的。我不知道应该把布克放哪里，不过我觉得他那地方不对。

11-25名就是个垃圾排名，这个我认同。

[–][CHI] Lauri Markkanen Gypsyoverdose 77 points 13 hours ago

How in the FUCK is Zach Lavine not on this list

公牛球迷：特么的凭啥没有拉文啊！！

[–]Lakers treebak 34 points 12 hours ago

Shoot he's such an obvious snub that I completely forgot about him! Zach should definitely be on this list.

湖人球迷：这真是个明显的疏忽啊，我都全然忘了他！拉文绝对能进前25.

[–][CHI] Lauri Markkanen klobbermang 62 points 12 hours ago

List is stacked with overhyped lakers and celtics players. It's just a dumbass list.

公牛球迷：这个榜单里好多被过誉的湖人和凯尔特人球员。这就是份脑残榜单。

[–]Nuggets MagicMax96 48 points 14 hours ago

Are they ranked based on potential goodness or current goodness? Because if its current, Nurkic is criminally low, and if its potential Doncic is too low

掘金球迷：他们的评选是基于潜力还是现有实力？因为如果单看现有实力的话，那努尔基奇低的离谱，如果看潜力的话，东契奇太低了。

[–]76ers BudotsKing 27 points 12 hours ago

The list is pretty random except on the top.

76人球迷：除了前几名，这个榜单就是随意排的。

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[–]Lakers ChodellBeckhamJr 32 points 14 hours ago

BI not even in the top 25….lmfao

湖人球迷：英格拉姆居然连这个前25都进不了……笑死老子了

[–][LAL] Marcelo Huertas henstobs11 100 points 15 hours ago

Kuz Ball Brown over BI???? lol

湖人球迷：库兹马、鲍尔和布朗都能在英格拉姆前面？？？哈哈哈哈

[–]Lakers Adam2190 579 points 14 hours ago

BI is the most promising among the 4. Better than Kuz at defense and better and Lonzo in scoring. He can also facilitate.

湖人球迷：莺歌可是这四个里最有前途的啊。他的防守比库兹马强，得分又强于鲍尔，而且他还能策应。

[–]Mavericks Julian_Caesar 34 points 13 hours ago

From the 3-4 Lakers games I've caught this year, i 100% agree. Super underrated player

独行侠球迷：就我这个赛季看过的三四场湖人比赛来说，我完全同意。莺歌严重被低估了。

[–]Anthonyrrxd 75 points 13 hours ago

He’s averaging 25 ppg 6rpg and 3 apg in his last 10 games on 55% FG .. he was even better than Lebron against memphis dropping 32 .. i dont get it Lol

他过去十场比赛场均25分6板3助，命中率有55%……打灰熊时他拿到了32分，甚至比詹姆斯的表现都强……我就搞不懂了，呵呵呵

[–]Lakers treebak 29 points 14 hours ago

BI will prove a lot of doubters wrong soon. Hopefully in a Lakers jersey, but if he gets moved, it could be much sooner.

湖人球迷：莺歌很快就会打脸那些质疑者的。希望那时他还穿着我湖球衣，不过他要是离开了的话，那他会更快打脸。

[–]Kings Cudi_buddy 150 points 14 hours ago

I agree. I've been impressed with Ingram's ability to score and cut this season. I feel the opposite about Kuzma. Liked him last year but feel it went to his head a bit.

国王球迷：同意。莺歌这个赛季的得分和切入能力让我印象深刻啊，而我觉得库兹马就刚好相反了。上赛季我还蛮喜欢他，不过他有点飘了。

[–]Lakers gentleM 109 points 15 hours ago

The disrespect to Brandon Ingram.

湖人球迷：这个榜单就是对莺歌的不尊重。

[–]Lakers treebak 12 points 15 hours ago

The rest of the NBA will find out soon. His last 10 games is a good start.

湖人球迷：NBA其他人很快就会发现莺歌的厉害的，过去十场比赛是个不错的开端。

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[–][BOS] Bill Russell Chill_Confirmed 314 points 15 hours ago

The Markksman criminally underrated

凯尔特人球迷：马尔卡宁被严重低估了。

[–]Bulls nocturn-e 11 points 11 hours ago

I prefer it tbh. I'd rather him be underyped and silently ball out than be too overhyped. But at the same time, I'd love for him to be well-known as a killer.

公牛球迷：说实话，我倒愿意这样。我希望他不那么被关注，低调打球，这总比被捧杀好。不过同时呢，我又想大家都知道他的杀手本性。

[–]Lakers HippiesBeGoneInc 89 points 13 hours ago

Markkanen gonna be better than half the guys on that list.

湖人球迷：马尔卡宁会强于这份榜单上一半的人。

[–]Froggeger 149 points 13 hours ago

This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen by a professional sports site

这是我见过的由专业体育网站排出的最差的榜单之一。

[–]Kings bogus_Wizardry 55 points 12 hours ago

Porzingis is on the list despite not playing at all this year. List is garbage

国王球迷：波尔津吉斯这赛季都没打还能上榜。这榜单就是垃圾。

[–]Bulls NoodleMaster27 33 points 12 hours ago

I'm definitely a homer but I'd like to hear the argument for Tatum over Markkanen.

Lauri is averaging 19.3 on .567 TS

Tatum is averaging 16.3 on .558 TS

Obviously Tatum plays for a better team but it's not like he's the sole reason the Celtics are good, though he is part of the reason. I'm just looking to see what other people think.

公牛球迷：我肯定是偏自己主队的，不过我还是想听听塔图姆比马尔卡宁强在哪里。

马尔卡宁现在场均19.3+9.1+1.4，真实命中率56.7%；

塔图姆场均16.3+6.3+1.9，真实命中率55.8%；

很显然，塔图姆为一支更强的队效力，虽然凯尔特人的优秀又他的部分功劳，可也不是全部啊。我就想看看其他人怎么看的。

[–][TOR] Kawhi Leonard biggz124 383 points 15 hours ago

Pascal not getting any love smh

猛龙球迷：西亚卡姆才是没人疼啊。

[–]Raptors MrGrieves- 169 points 14 hours ago

Better stats, efficiency, and defense than Tatum.

猛龙球迷：他的数据、效率和防守都强于塔图姆。

[–]Lakers ReubenFroster56 96 points 13 hours ago

Yeah but Pascal is at least 10 years older though.

湖人球迷：是的，可是西亚卡姆至少比塔图姆大十岁啊。

[–]Bucks The_Sign_of_Zeta 53 points 15 hours ago

I'd much rather have him than Booker who's a black hole on defense.

雄鹿球迷：我宁愿要西亚卡姆，也好过布克，因为布克就是个防守黑洞。

[–]Lakers treebak 29 points 14 hours ago

Yup, Pascal is on the list. The real snubs are guys like Trae Young, Ingram, and others that missed the cut.

湖人球迷：没错，不过西亚卡姆至少上榜了。真正被忽视的是吹羊、莺歌和其他人。

[–][OKC] Andre Roberson ale_goldie 721 points 15 hours ago

Tatum is too overrated

雷霆球迷：塔图姆被过分高估了。

[–]Nets Nokia_Bricks 156 points 13 hours ago

The Tatum hype has died down a bit but I remember about a year ago people were seriously acting like he was a top 20 player.

篮网球迷：塔图姆热已经降温了一点，不过我记得一年前，大家真觉得他是前20球员。

[–]76ers SlappyBagg 54 points 12 hours ago

Yep if this list was made before the season he would probably be top 3

76人球迷：是的，如果这个榜单是赛季开始前出来的话，他或许能在前三。

[–]Trail Blazers oFaceless 34 points 13 hours ago

Idk about overrated. He was overhyped last season but he is legitimately a VERY good player. 2nd scoring option on the one of the most talented teams in the league.

开拓者球迷：他是不是被高估我不知道。他上赛季被高估了，可是他现在就是个很强的球员。在凯尔特人这么一支天赋顶级的球队里，他可是球队的第二进攻选择。

[–]Hornets pitshs11 23 points 12 hours ago

He is a good player but not VERY good. He's averaging 16 on slightly above average efficiency. And yes the celtics are very talented, but Kyrie is the only player on the team that I would say is a great scorer (and Horford is really the only other I would say is even a decent scorer). So him being the second option is not a huge accomplishment

黄蜂球迷：塔图姆是强，可是还没有“很”强吧。他场均16分，效率略高于平均线。是，凯尔特人确实很有天赋，不过他们队里的顶尖得分手只有欧文一个（要说靠谱得分点的话，我觉得另一个只有是霍福德）。所以塔图姆成为绿军的第二进攻选择没什么了不得吧。

[–][LAL] Marcelo Huertas henstobs11 41 points 15 hours ago

Fox should be 8, Siakam 9, Lauri 10, Tatum 11

湖人球迷：福克斯应该在第八，西亚卡姆第九，马尔卡宁第10，塔图姆第11.

[–][CLE] Delonte West ddottay 31 points 15 hours ago

I think Fox doesn't get enough love because he plays in Sacramento.

Not a terrible list though.

骑士球迷：我觉得就因为福克斯在萨克拉门托打球，所以他才没人爱。

不过这个榜单并不瞎。

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[–][HOU] Luis Scola H-Town Down 80 points 15 hours ago

How is D Lo not in the top 10 when he just made an all star team?

火箭球迷：拉塞尔都进全明星了，居然还进不了前10？？

[–]Celtics jonige94 157 points 15 hours ago

Booker 10th? lmao

凯尔特人球迷：布克第十？笑死个人啊

[–]Bucks The_Sign_of_Zeta 75 points 15 hours ago

This is when you know those putting this list together way overvalued offense and didn't care enough about defense.

雄鹿球迷：所以你该知道了吧，这个榜单过分强调进攻，却不够在乎防守。

[–]76ers slipperysnail 83 points 15 hours ago

Dlo's better than Booker lmao

76人球迷：拉塞尔可比布克强，哈哈哈哈

[–][PHO] Hamed Haddadi BillMurrie 69 points 13 hours ago*

lmao no he isn't, he just plays on a winning team, one that would be winning with Booker in his spot.

Booker: 24.6 ppg on 57% TS, 6.7 assists on 4 turnovers

Russell: 20.5 ppg on 53.5%, 6.7 assists on 3 turnovers

D'Lo would be taking tougher shots and passes in Phoenix with the extra defensive attention. Russell isn't an appreciably better playmaker to mitigate how much worse he is at scoring, ya'll are crazy.

太阳球迷：呵呵呵，他可不行。拉塞尔只是在一支争胜球队效力，要是换成布克也能赢球。

布克数据：场均24.6分6.7助4失误，真实命中率57%；

拉塞尔数据：场均20.5分6.7助3失误，真实命中率53.5%

要是拉塞尔在太阳的话，他还得额外分心防守，投篮和传球会更不容易。拉塞尔并不是个比布克强很多的组织者，无法弥补他在得分能力上的欠缺，你们都疯了吧。

[–]Hawks KickedInTheDonuts 20 points 9 hours ago

the recency bias in this sub is insane. you could argue Booker at 10 is too low

老鹰球迷：这个专区里近期的偏见真的是疯狂。明明布克排第十都算是低了啊

[–]NBA fastlikeanascar 10 points 8 hours ago

They're both better than Mitchell.

他们都比米切尔强。

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